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[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: This meeting will come to order. Welcome to the 04/22/2026 meeting of the Budget and Finance Committee of the San Francisco board of supervisors. Happy Earth Day everyone. I am vice chair Matt Dorsey and we will be chair and I will be chairing this committee. Today, I am joined by supervisors Danny Sauter and Cheyenne Chen. Our clerk today is Brent Alipa and I would like to thank Kalina Mendoza and the entire staff at SFGov TV for broadcasting and facilitating today's meeting. Mister clerk, do have any announcements?

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Thank you, mister vice chair. Just a friendly reminder to those in attendance to please make sure to silence all cell phones and electronic devices to prevent interruptions to our proceedings. Should you have any documents to be included as part of the file, they should be submitted to myself, the clerk. Public comment will be taken on each item on this agenda. When your item of interest comes up and public comment is called, please line up to speak on the west side of the chamber to your right, my left, along those curtains. And while not required to provide public comment, we do invite you to fill out a comment card and leave them on the tray by the television to your left by those doors. If you wish for your name to be accurately recorded for the minutes. Alternatively, you may submit public comment in writing in either of the following ways. Email them to myself, the Budget and Finance Committee clerk at brent.jalipa@sfgov.org. If you submit public comment via email, it will be forwarded to the supervisors and also included as part of the official file. You may also send your written comments via US Postal Service to our office and city hall at 1 Doctor Carlton B Good Place Room 244 San Francisco California 94102. And finally mister vice chair items acted upon today are expected to appear on the board of supervisors agenda of April 28 unless otherwise stated. Mister vice chair.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you mister clerk. Before we call item number one I would like to make a motion to excuse our colleague budget chair Connie Chan from today's meeting. Mister clerk may we have a roll call on that motion.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Yes and on that motion that we excuse a supervisor chair from today' from attending today' meeting. Member sotter aye member Chen Chen aye vice chair Dorsey aye. Dorsey. Aye. We have three ayes.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, mister clerk. The motion passes. And before we call item one, I wanna remind the members of the public who are here today and watching on TV. We have the budget and legislative analyst report for items numbers one, nine, and 10 on today's agenda. For those items, we customarily have the department presentation first and then it is followed by the budget and legislative analyst. We then take questions usually from colleagues and then invite a public comment. Mister clerk can you please call item number one.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Yes item number one is a resolution approving and authorizing the director of property on behalf of the department of public health to amend the lease of a portion of real property located at 845 Jackson Street on the 4th Floor with chinese hospital association serving as the temporary location of dphs chinatown public health center changing the lease expiration date from October twenty nine twenty twenty eight to the third year anniversary of the date of the issuance of a change of use permit by the California department of health care access and information with no change to the total lease amount of approximately 3,900,000 increasing the construction to leasehold improvements reimbursement allowance by an amount not to exceed 400,000 for a new total maximum of 800,000 and authorizing the director of property to execute documents make certain modifications and take certain actions that do not materially increase the obligations nor liabilities to the city and are necessary to effectuate the purposes of the lease amendment or this resolution. Mister Vice Chair.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. We have Jeff Suess here from the the real estate division who is the transaction team manager. And, I know you are joined by Kay Kim, the project manager, if there's any questions. Welcome both of you to the Budget and Finance Committee. The floor is yours.

[Jeff Suess (Transaction Team Manager, Real Estate Division)]: Thank you very much, Vice Chair Dorsey, and good morning, Supervisor Shen, Supervisor Sauber. Yeah, I'm pleased to bring you this. We brought you this lease in October to approve this. Just a little background and reminder is that we're using Chinese Hospital as a temporary site while we go through the renovations of the city owned Chinatown Public Health Center. To adapt the hospital to be able to be used for this purpose, we needed to get a state change of use from hospital to clinic level. And, as we went through that permitting process, we found that they had modified the requirements to meet that in upgrading the fire safety system. So, that exceeded the budget that we had originally planned on when we brought this to you back in October. And we're now coming to you to something we try very hard not to do is come back and ask for more money, but here it's required by the state, and we're asking to increase the not to exceed amount from $300,000 to $800,000 which will allow us to do that. We're also looking to align the lease term to receipt of the CU from the state, which is also when rent commencement is. So there's no increase in rent, but it's going to extend the lease for about seven months to align with the delays that we've had in getting the project started and getting the space prepped. Those are and I believe well I believe the board is the bla wants us to modify the resolution and I'll let nick do that part.

[Nick Menard (Budget and Legislative Analyst)]: Any

[Jeff Suess (Transaction Team Manager, Real Estate Division)]: questions?

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: No let's hear from Mr.

[Nick Menard (Budget and Legislative Analyst)]: Good morning. Nick Menard Menard. From the Budget Legislative Analyst Office. Item one is a resolution that would approve an amendment to a lease between the Department of Public Health and Chinese Hospital. The existing lease has DPH renting the 4th Floor of Chinese Hospital to relocate Chinatown Public Health Center while they undergo renovations. And so the clinical services will be out of the hospital for the next four years while those renovations take place. The city, in addition to paying to rent, is paying for tenant improvements to convert the 4th Floor of the hospital from hospital beds to clinical uses. There's an existing tenant improvement budget of $300,000 that's being increased to $800,000 in this amendment to do additional fire alarm installations that are required by the state. Those costs are funded by DPH's general fund. And then the items will be part of Chinese hospital after the lease ends. We do have an amendment to correct the long title of the resolution to remove the phrase, quote, with no change to the total lease amount of $3,880,000 And we recommend approval as amended.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: You, Mr. Menard. Supervisor Slaughter.

[Supervisor Danny Sauter]: Thank you, Supervisor Dorsey. I will certainly be supporting this. This has been something that we've been working on with real estate and DPH and Chinese Hospital since taking office. This is going to allow that during the time that the public health center is closed, that we still have those services available to the neighborhood in partnership with Chinese hospitals. So I think it is excellent. We're all excited to get this underway. And Vice Chair Dorsey, I'll be happy to make that amendment after public comment.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Supervisor Sauter. I would just say, if you've ever been to an event at Chinese Hospital, it's, I think, every member of the Board of Supervisors regards this as a really special institution. And I know when I was back in the city attorney's office, I think twenty years ago, we had a case against some of the doctors groups that were really putting Chinese hospital in a difficult situation. And we had a consumer protection case stood up for them so I will be supporting this also I don't have any further comments and I don't see anyone on the roster with them so thank you for your presentation and why don't we invite up now public

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: comment. Yes right now opening public comment for this item number one if we have any members of the public who have joined us today wish to address this committee. Mr. Vice Chair, have no speakers.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Public comment on this item is now closed. Supervisor Sauter.

[Supervisor Danny Sauter]: Thank you. And I'd like to make a motion to make the amendment as recommended by BLA, which is on page one, lines 10 through 11, deleting with no changes to the total lease amount of $3,880,292.2

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Mr. Clerk may we take a roll call on that motion.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: And on that motion to amend this resolution as so stated by the BLA and member Sauter. Member Sauter. Sauter aye member Chan Chen? Aye. Vice Chair Dorsey? Aye. Dorsey? Aye. We have three ayes.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. We probably could have done that as one thing, but now do you want make a motion to send it out with our positive recommendation?

[Supervisor Danny Sauter]: Sure. I'd like to make a motion to send this to the full board with positive recommendation.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: And on that motion, to forward this resolution to the full board with the recommendation as amended. Vember Sauter? Aye. Sauter? Aye. Member Chen? Chen, aye. Vice Chair Dorsey? Aye. Dorsey, aye. We have three ayes.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: The resolution is approved as amended to the full board of supervisors with a positive recommendation mr clerk may you call up items numbers two through five together

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Yes item numbers two through five are resolutions approving the following fiscal year 2026 and 2027 programs authorizing the mayor on behalf of the city and county to apply for accept and expand the city' fiscal year 2026 to 2027 program entitlements from the united states department of housing and urban development For a period beginning 07/01/2026. Item number two approves the community development block grant, CDBG program, in the amount of approximately $19,400,000 and takes spend estimated program income in the amount of $2,100,000 for a combined total of approximately $21,500,000 through the date when all funds are expended. Item number three approves the home investment partnership home program in the amount of approximately 4,600,000 and to expend program income in the amount of 2,000,000 for a combined total of approximately 6,600,000 through 06/30/2031 item number four approves the emergency solutions grants or ESG program in the amount of approximately 1,700,000 for an unspecified period and item number five approves the housing opportunities for persons with aids or hoplop program in the amount of approximately 7,500,000 and to expand program income and reprogram funds in the amount of 202,000 for a total of approximately 7,700,000 through 06/30/2029. Mr. Vice Chair. Thank you Mr. Clerk. And from the mayor's office of housing and community development we have the director of community development

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Julia Savary. Ms. Savary, welcome to the budget and finance committee. The floor is yours.

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Thank you.

[Julia Sabori (Deputy Director, Community Development, MOHCD)]: Good morning, committee members. I'm Julia Sabori, Deputy Director, Community Development, Mayor's Office of Housing and Community Development. I'm here to present the accept and expend resolutions for federal HUD funding for fiscal year twenty twenty six and 2027. These resolutions authorize the city to receive and deploy four key federal funding sources that support San Francisco's vulnerable residents. Each year San Francisco receives four federal entitlement grants from CDBG, ESG, HOME, and HOPWA. These are formula based funds driven by population and need, and funding levels are generally stable year over year. MOCD serves as the lead agency with funds administered in partnership with OEWD and HSH. The amounts in this resolution are estimates based on prior year awards and typically vary by less than 5%. Before getting into the numbers, it's important to ground this in impact. Last year, these funds served over 13,000 residents through job training, eviction prevention, and housing counseling, supported nearly 1,500 people experiencing homelessness, and assisted over 1,000 residents living with HIVAIDS. They also helped preserve and develop hundreds of affordable housing units across the city. This year we anticipate receiving $21,500,000 in CDBG, dollars 1,700,000 in ESG, dollars 6,600,000 in HOME, dollars 7,700,000 in HOPWA. Together these programs work to address housing stability, homelessness, and economic opportunity. These funds cannot replace general fund dollars, but they are critical in reducing pressure on local resources. Before walking through this year's proposal, I want to briefly highlight what these investments delivered last year. CDBG supports both housing and community services. On the housing side, it helped preserve and advance major affordable housing projects, including Normandy Apartments and two forty nine Pennsylvania. On the services side, it supported over 13,000 residents with tenant counseling, eviction prevention and job training. Home funds are primarily used for affordable housing development in fiscal year twenty four-twenty five home funds were allocated to the Sunnydale Hope SF site and affordable senior housing site in Chinatown at 772 Pacific which will build three fifty nine units of housing. Home also supports property oversight ensuring that buildings are safe, well maintained, and meeting standards. ESG focuses on homelessness response. Last year, it served over 1,400 individuals through shelter and services. In terms of prevention efforts, it helped nearly 3,000 households avoid homelessness. HOPWA provides housing and services for people living with HIVAIDS. Last year, it supported over 1,000 residents with housing assistance and care coordination. Stable housing is directly linked to improved health outcomes for this population. Building on these outcomes, I'll now walk through the proposed investments for the coming fiscal year. CDBG totals approximately $21,500,000 including both federal allocation and program income. The majority supports housing preservation and rehabilitation, direct services that promote housing stability, economic and workforce development. Program administration funds support the staffing required to operate these federally regulated programs. ESG provides about 1,700,000 for focused on homelessness response. Funding supports emergency shelter operations and services, homelessness prevention, including rental assistance, HMIS data systems required by HUD, and this funding is tightly regulated and targeted to crisis response. HOME provides approximately $6,600,000 primarily supporting new affordable housing construction within the city's development pipeline. HUD's goal for HOPWA program is to provide housing assistance with supportive services to low and moderate income individuals living with HIV and their families. In accordance with federal HOPWA regulations, HOPWA funding is distributed by formula to eligible states and metropolitan areas. The HUD designated San Francisco, EMSA eligible metropolitan statistical area include the San Francisco and San Mateo Counties. The HOPWA funded rental subsidies program provides long term rental subsidies and housing advocacy for persons living with HIV. The housing and supportive services program provides operations funding to residential care facilities for chronically ill and transitional residential care facilities. The program contingency line is intended for rental subsidies, capital improvements to HOPWA funded facilities and other HOPWA funded programs. This concludes my presentation. These federal funds are essential to manage to maintaining housing stability, reducing homelessness, and supporting vulnerable residents across San Francisco. Thank you and I'm happy to answer any questions.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Sure I have a couple questions. In the references to eviction prevention is eviction defense part of that is that an eligible use of the funding or one that's customarily?

[Helen Hale (Director of Housing Services, MOHCD)]: Morning. Helen Hale, Director of Housing Services Eviction Prevention is in my portfolio. So we have a mixture of funding that goes into a number of programs. We do use some of the CBDG, but a small portion of that. We also use some of the OCO money. And also, there's sort of a mixture. It doesn't fully fund that alone.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Okay. Okay. I know that in the last budget cycle, this is a concern, I think, that most of us on the board share is just making sure usually eviction defense and eviction prevention is a wise investment in making sure that we're not exacerbating homelessness. So I was just curious if we're seeing any as we're coming into another budget season, is this something that you think is going to be an area of need?

[Julia Sabori (Deputy Director, Community Development, MOHCD)]: I think there's always more need, but I don't see a gap as compared to last year, particularly with this specifically with this item, with the federal funding, no, not at all.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Okay okay that is it that's it from me and I don't see anybody else on the roster with public comments so mr clerk why don't we open up public comment

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: yes right now opening public comment for items two through five. If we have any members of the public who wish to address this committee. Mr. Vice Chair, we have no speakers.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Clerk. Public comment on this item is now closed. And, I would like to make a motion to send items two through five out to the full board with our positive recommendation. May we have a roll call on that motion?

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: And on that motion, to refer items two through five to the full board. Member sauter sauter aye member Chan aye vice chair Dorsey aye Dorsey aye we have three ayes. Thank you

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: mister clerk the motions passed. Mister clerk can you please call items numbers six seven and eight together. Yes items

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: six through eight our ordinances adopting and implementing the memorandum of understanding between the city and county and the following to be effective 07/01/2026 through 06/30/2030 item number six and seven is with the San Francisco firefighters union local 7980 one and two item number eight is with the San Francisco police officers association mr vice chair Thank you, Mr. Clerk.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: And we are joined by the Department of Human Resources Executive Director, Carol Eisen. And she is joined by some folks who also available for questions, Artists Graham, Jonathan Wright, and Gigi Whitley. Director Eisen, welcome to the Budget and Finance Committee. The floor is yours.

[Carol Isen (Human Resources Director, DHR)]: Good morning, Chair Dorsey, members of the committee. Thank you for having us today. My name is Carol Eisen. I'm the Human Resources Director for the city. We are here to present to you the successor memoranda of understandings between the San Francisco Police Officers Association and the Firefighters Union Local seven ninety eight, these agreements that would become effective July 1 upon your approval are four year agreements. They cover the three bargaining units that are in question here, which is why you see three items on your agenda. These agreements, before you establish wages, benefits, and working conditions for all of the sworn members of the police and fire departments, and they include negotiated updates to compensation and to premiums for the next four fiscal years. They were reached as a result of extensive good faith negotiations between the city and our labor partners. And we're very pleased to report that we were able to reach these agreements through collective bargaining, and we believe that they provide support for our public safety work over the next four years. If I had to pick a couple of words to characterize what these agreements are really about, They provide both stability and certainty for the city over the next four years as you're approaching, I think, a very difficult budget cycle over the next two. We did this at Mayor Lurie's direction to reach both fair and responsible agreements, and I think that they that what's in front of you have achieved both. The sworn members of the police and fire departments overwhelmingly ratified these agreements. We're joined here today by the negotiating committee from the Police Officers Association. I want to make sure that we acknowledge their presence. And I think it's the best indication that the members of the Police and Fire Department have heard and understand the city's concerns about its fiscal position, and yet that these agreements also provide stability and certainty for their members over the next four years. I'm going to turn this over to Artis Graham, who's our employee relations director, to cover the details with you. I'll be here to answer any questions that you have, but I want to make sure that you know that we're believe that the outcome is really quite excellent for everybody concerned, that the vote from the members with 95% plus yes votes sends a signal loudly that our members of our police and fire departments understand that the city's elected officials and their own leadership support the work that they're doing and endorse it thank you very much

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: thank you director eyes and I really appreciate the work that you did as well as the negotiating teams for the the bargaining units for their work for all working together mister graham thank you for being at the budget finance committee the floor is yours

[Artis Graham (Employee Relations Director, DHR)]: thank you so much for having me, supervisor. Good morning, chair and members of the committee. My name is Artus Graham. I'm the employee relations director for the Department of Human Resources, and I'm very excited to present to you these MOUs. And so first thing, as Carol said, I just want to reiterate that we really believe that this agreement these agreements that we were able to reach are fiscally responsible for the city and also help sustain our competitiveness for both our police and firefighter unions term over the next four years so we we've been able to come to an agreement with our labor partners that we think is in the best interest of the city both our citizens employees etcetera so if you don't mind we'll walk you through some of the details of the of the mo you

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Can we pull up the power point? There we go. Perfect.

[Artis Graham (Employee Relations Director, DHR)]: Okay. So just to give you a brief overview, both or all three MOUs have wage periods of four years with 3% increases each year with a 2% increase on the last day of the contract so for a total of 14% increases over the four year period And in the next slide, we can talk about some of the details of POA. In the POA agreement, we added retention payments at some really targeted years at eight and ten years because holding on to mid career police officer professionals is very important to us. It helps us sustain our police force. We've also made some improvements in terms of how we recruit our police officers in particular there's a focus here on lateral officers and so we made we increased the signing bonus thanks to a one time grant that the city has received and so although we will have a significant signing bonus of $25,000 for mid career officers that lateral into our department it does not create an ongoing financial burden for the city in addition we created a one time five additional floating holidays for folks because as you can imagine as a mid career professional, oftentimes you may have vacation plans, etcetera, with your family, and people were sacrificing that or not willing to come over because of that. So we tried to address that with a one time five day floating holiday advantage for those officers. And then in addition, we enhanced our field training officer compensation because field training officers are very important to the department, particularly as we bring over officers from other departments and bring people up through the academy to restaff our police force. We wanna make sure that our experienced officers have, are able to provide them with the kind of succession planning we need and to familiarize them with the intricacies of our city and the complications of our city. On the July agreement, we similarly took a proactive stance to invest in training of our officers. And for here, we created an incentive for them to participate in a San Francisco specific training program. So, as you may know, earlier I guess last week, so earlier this month, we broke ground on a new firefighter training facility. Part of the plan to use that firefighter training facility is to help prepare our department to prepare for the next big earthquake or heaven forbid we have a situation like Los Angeles with the huge fires. And so we have some very San Francisco specific dynamics, large wooden structures. We share a lot of walls in this city, things like that. So our department and our chief really wanted to make sure that we had a highly trained firefighter force that was ready to deal with the San Francisco issues, and the mayor was completely supportive of that endeavor. And so that's what we worked to do in this particular instance. And to that regard, we wanted to provide for experienced officers to work on a seven day a week schedule, so we created an incentive for them to to train seven days a week at our new training facility on these San Francisco specific crisis interventions we also created a wellness program for our firefighters similar to the wellness program that we have in the poa agreement which we hope will help support firefighters and their ongoing wellness as you can imagine both are very physically demanding and difficult jobs so this was a way that we could support them in addition we have committed funding for our behavioral health unit within the fire department as well as we have additional tuition reimbursement money for them so that way as they continue to learn and progress and develop their careers within the san francisco fire department. Lastly just to give you kind of an overview of how we in the department of human resources consider how we bargain and what we use is the factors that are in the charter and so the charter factors deal with issues of cpi what do other employees within the city what is their compensation structure what are similarly situated employees in the region what' their compensation structure so we take those things into account and we believe we were successful in doing that and working with our labor partners we also were able to consider all of that as well as the financial condition of the city and create an ongoing relatively long term agreement that creates sustainability for the city' safety workforce. I' available for any questions thank you.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you so much I have a couple questions on the first of all I really appreciate that investing in behavioral health units work I think that's really important for jobs that are just I don't think people who aren't in these kinds of positions fully understand the level of stress that we put people under who do this. And I think this is really important work. Do I understand correctly, it's 20,000

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: annually just per

[Artis Graham (Employee Relations Director, DHR)]: for the behavioral health unit, for supportive services for them.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Does the police department get something similar to that, or is that already in its budget?

[Artis Graham (Employee Relations Director, DHR)]: I believe it's already in its budget, and they already have a system for that.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Okay. You mentioned competitiveness, and I think that's a really important point. I know that we often, and certainly I have prioritized this, police understaffing in San Francisco has been a problem. Where are we with fire staffing? Are we in good shape there?

[Artis Graham (Employee Relations Director, DHR)]: Yes. The fire department is fully staffed.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Okay. Is there a perspective that, I don't know if you or maybe I could, somebody here could give me, just to give me some visibility on the labor market for law enforcement personnel. Is this an MOU that is going to put us in a better competitive position for new recruits and for lateral hires?

[Artis Graham (Employee Relations Director, DHR)]: Yes. So I'll say that for for sake of context, we do the surveys about once a year so our earliest survey our most recent survey rather was before these MOUs were agreed to so the exact impact of these MOUs is uncertain in terms of the competitive landscape because there are a number of other jurisdictions that are also in bargaining with their police officers association. We don't fully know how to work out in the end. But in short, we are very competitive within the police ranks. When you take our full compensation together, there are only two cities that pay more than we do, and that's the city of Santa Clara, which pays more than we do for everything, and the city of San Jose. And I think that we, as a city, being exciting and interesting place, offer a lot of different opportunities for for police officers that those cities don't offer. So we are competitive in that way as well.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Okay. Reason it's going to continue to be a priority for me, at least police understaffing. I think we finally had some good news in that we are starting for the first time in many years to hire more police officers than we are losing to retirement and attrition. But we also have a methodology that was independently developed that voters approved back in 2020 of how many police officers we need. And so while we're netting more than we're losing, that's the good news. The bad news is our need actually went up, I believe, something like 200 plus full duty officers. So we're in actually worse shape than we were even when I was trying to push a couple charter amendments a couple years ago on this. So I'm working with the mayor and, you know, doing everything I can to work with people. I do feel this is just I'll get on my soapbox for a minute. Many one thing that I've just experienced as somebody who represents a downtown district, it is exasperating that so many of the responses that I have to constituent concerns about things that are playing out with street conditions in their neighborhood have to include some explanation that we don't have enough police officers for that. And while I recognize that there's a lot of public safety challenges that came before us that we didn't see coming. I think we can be defended several years ago for not knowing that we were going to have a once in a century pandemic. I think we can be defended for not knowing that there was going be a drug that was more potently addictive and deadly, like fentanyl. We didn't see that coming. But we knew police officers retire. And it is sort of continually frustrating to me that we, as a city, didn't do more sooner to get ahead of that. So anyway, I'll be continuing to work on that. And maybe during public comment, I'd love to hear some thoughts on, what I'm interested in is making sure we're doing everything we can to be the place where people want to work, so that we can make some real progress that we need.

[Carol Isen (Human Resources Director, DHR)]: Supervisor Dorsey, I'm also looking forward to hearing what the Police Officers Association's comments are on the points that you raise. I just want to assure you from the perspective of the Department of Human Resources, we're doing everything that we can to support the police department and its recruitment and retention efforts. The last agreement that is now expiring, plus this new one, I think has added very substantially to the department's ability to attract mid career police officers from other agencies. The labor market, yes, we can do a survey. We can tell you how much everybody pays. But one critical fact in San Francisco that is really unrivaled is just the size of the department and the opportunities for employment and to have your career go in a lot of different directions. We can offer that here in the city. The other thing that we have worked closely with the department on is to make sure that out in the labor market that there's a good understanding of how the city's pension works. It is new officers, for emerging police officers, our pension is better. It's not always the top concern of a twenty five or twenty six year old thinking about what they're going to do with themselves. But twenty years later, they're going to find out that if you come to work in San Francisco and work under our SPUR system, you're going to be substantially better off than you are under the PERS and the PEPRA arrangements that are what most of our competitors are in. So I think that' critical we' advertised that it' helped a lot we' gotten a lot of lateral transfers and now you can see in this agreement we' taken some steps to make sure that those lateral transfers want to stay. And at the same time, the police department is really driving towards expanding their academies. And you can see in this agreement that we've created incentives for experienced officers to be much more directly involved in those academies to help bring up a new generation. So, the work is continuing. We hear you. We share your concerns. And, it's a central driver for DHR in our work and our employment services team.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank I really appreciate that. And thank you. I really appreciate everybody for their work. And before I see the representative of the POA is here, but Supervisor Slaughter.

[Supervisor Danny Sauter]: Thank you, Chair. And I'm very happy to see that there's a clear path to resolution here. You know, in this current budget climate, it's good to see that everyone came to the table and was realistic and worked together to find an agreement here. One thing just to get on the record here, and I know I've had conversations with DHR and then union leadership as well, something I'd like to see us go further in, either in this in the future or in a future agreement, which is more work, specifically higher bonuses around bilingual recruitment and certification. I think there's work to be done on making sure that the testing and certification piece is realistic and is accessible. And then also just the dollars themselves, particularly for fire. I know we're quite low when you compare to some other comparable cities. So just stating it here on the record, that's something I continue to hope to work with all parties to get past in the future. Thank you, Chair.

[Artis Graham (Employee Relations Director, DHR)]: Thank you.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: You, Supervisor Slaughter. I don't think I have any more questions for you, but I would love to get, if it's okay, I'd like to call up Louis Wong from the police officers association. If you if you want to address I would value any perspective you have I mean you know at the end of the day I want to make sure that we are more competitive than jurisdictions that may be hiring law enforcement personnel that we want to have working for us.

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: And I have that information for you. So, morning, supervisors. My name is Louis Wong. I am the POA President for San Francisco Police Officer Association. I've been with the department for over thirty years. Been with the POA for fourteen years. I'm here to speak on behalf of the total membership. We are we would like you to support this tenant agreement. This agreement, I've been around for thirty years. I believe this is the best contract that I have ever been a part of. I can tell you, as regards to staffing levels, I just met with the same to sheriff, Carlos Tapio, yesterday had lunch with him. He wants our inside information, which I won't give to him, regarding how do you guys attract all these officers. What do you have? That is correct. We have retention built in, but they want to do it. I was on FaceTime with the Hawaiian President yesterday, Don. He was asking me. He wanted to see our old MOUs to see how to better his department because staffing is bad everywhere. But I can tell you that I've been working with Chief Liu, members of recruitment, where we have a lot of laterals. They're waiting to come. We have actually 19 laterals from the South Way waiting to come here. We've had the highest number of graduation of recruits since '41, just two weeks ago. There was an incentive inside our contract given to us to attract laterals from private donors. And I'm telling you, it's going to make a big difference if you guys do pass this tenant agreement. I want to also thank my negotiations team who's here. I'll just go real fast. Gaetano, Pavel, Rob, Paloma, and Ashley behind me, as well as our labor attorney, Rocky Lucia. As you can see here, we have older officers, officers mid level, and newer officers. We even have two females on my negotiation team. Because as you know in life, we need a female's perspective into this. And I think everyone brought something to the table. And it was a fair and professional negotiation. I would like to thank Donya Wong, who's a chief negotiator. I want to thank also Carol Eisen, who worked tirelessly with us at 10PM on a Friday night to help with this contract. I would like to thank members of the command staff that are here, Derek Chief Lou, who attended some of these meetings, and Nicole Jones, under the direction of Mayor Lurie. I don't think we had any conflicts during this, not even one little dispute, because we all had a common denominator, which is public safety. This contract, it will it's not just for the police and for fire. It's for the citizens. We're gonna attract more cops here. It's gonna bring the crime rate down even more than we are. And it's gonna help with the with the public with the public safety and the mental health situation that we have here. And this contract also, we thought about the budgetary crisis that we're in. That's why we had a four year contract instead of traditional three because we understood and we wanted to help out the city. Like Carol Eisen said, the membership approved this overwhelmingly. It shows the support to these officers that you guys have. You know, when I met with you guys when I first became president, I met with you guys one on one in your office. And you guys said, hey, public safety is number one. I took that into consideration, and I applied that into this contract. And also stated I also stated that this the main topic is recruitment retention. And I can tell you, if this is ratified, we're going to get back on top in a couple of years. You guys got any other questions for me?

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: I don't, and I don't see anybody on the roster, but I really appreciate that. I could ask if it's okay, there's a follow-up because you know we have as a city expressed our aspiration for 30 by 30 hiring, making sure that we're doing more to hire female officers.

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: Correct.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: I'm interested if there's any perspective on that. How are we doing, and what more could we do?

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: I think we're doing well. And Ashley behind me can speak to that. But we have a leadership committee that we established with the POAs, a new leadership group, to attract more females. We have a leadership we just had a leadership luncheon where we attracted more and more female officers. And I think this profession is changing towards that. When I came in, was 95 male. Now, we see more and more command staff female officers, and we are attracting more. We're having a lot more laterals coming that are females. They're just attracted by the fact that command staff, have women leaders, because their departments don't. Okay. All right. Supervisor Chan.

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Thank you, Chair and Dorsey. I would also like to learn a little bit more about retention. I know recruitment, we've been boosting, lateral, or the academy. But what about retention?

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: In keeping officers?

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Yeah, in keeping officers.

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: Well, that's why we had the fourth year. And in the fourth year, when you look at the MOU, there's a higher pay rate at the end. That's to keep the officers. The majority of our this contract affected the majority of the officers, is 86%, and are younger. 14% are people like me who came in in 1995 who are retiring. So, in regards to losing officers, we're not losing officers because at the POA, I'm not making any retirement plaques that often like I used to. So in regards to keeping our own officers, we are, but we're gaining a lot more.

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Great. Thank you. And I appreciate that Supervisor Dorsey talked about female officers, and I also remember that I asked the questions about language access. And I think San Francisco is very diverse. Is that any effort in continuing to also recoup bilingual, trilingual officers into the academy or into the department?

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: Yes. Thank you.

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Is that

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: Oh, I'm sorry. Was a Sorry,

[Officer Ashley Schlomowitz (SFPD; POA Board of Directors)]: I'm sorry.

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: Oh, am so sorry.

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Yeah. Is that effort also being intentional about recruiting more language

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: Yes.

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Capacity?

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: Yes. Am in constant talks with one of the recruitment officer, Michael Batuu. You see him on all the social medias and events. We are targeting schools with bilingual, different races. We are going down to military bases. We are going to be going to attract outside laterals from different states that have more of a bilingual atmosphere for officers. So, am in constant contact with him.

[Supervisor Cheyenne Chen]: Thank you.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Supervisor Chan. Do we want to hear was the officer

[Louis Wong (President, San Francisco Police Officers Association)]: Yes, she's right behind. Officer Schlumpfs.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Welcome to the committee.

[Officer Ashley Schlomowitz (SFPD; POA Board of Directors)]: Thank you. Morning, committee vice chair and members of the committee. My name is Ashley Schlomowitz. I'm an officer here with the San Francisco Police Department, and I've been in for about ten years now. I'm also on the RPOA Board of Directors, which I joined back in 2023, and I was reelected. I represent Central Station, which is my current assignment. I've been at Central Station since about 2020, And my current job role is I'm on patrol as a fisherman's wharf footpee, but prior to that I was a Lower Nob Hill footpee in District 3. I worked with supervisor Sauter. This was my first negotiation. I was part of the negotiations team, and I will agree with what our President Wong stated here is that the negotiations team had a vast spectrum of years of experience. It's very important to represent our members who have like twenty five years, thirty years in. We have Officer Hospital here has six years in about. So just and everywhere in between. So to make sure that all of our bases were covered and that the input we got from our members was authentic and represented an accurate picture of what our members want. We had true buy in from both sides. It was very obvious. I didn't know what to expect in this process, but to see how the city team and the SOPOA team operated was extremely professional. We had a lot of very candid conversations, including a lot of difficult conversations involving the reality of our staffing shortages and the need for a robust compensation package, as well as focusing on improving working conditions. Those were our core goals, and we were very frank about that. And I do credit that with how we were able to get this tentative agreement the way that it is. Those conversations shaped that, and that this TA is a solid foundation to rebuild our ranks which will benefit the city as well as our department. Going forward just to echo as well as what Carol Eisen mentioned earlier about stability and certainty, I believe that is the core of this tentative agreement. We sought to address items of importance, as well as urgency, to stop the bleeding of losing cops, as well as focusing on issues including FTO pay, which was an item that has not been updated in twenty years. Twenty years without increasing compensation for FTOs, I'm just surprised it went that far, so I'm glad it was addressed here. As we've just been speaking about, we're having a lot of recruits and FTO burnout is real. Our officers here do probably more work, calls that we see in a regular week of patrol, it's probably on par with what smaller agencies maybe see in a couple of months, and that is magnified by what FTO's field training officers have to go through by guiding recruits, not even just new officers, but laterals who are coming from other agencies who will have to learn our policies and ensure that they abide by them. So our FTO pay increase is something that I'm very proud that we were able to accomplish in this TA. And aside from how this TA will affect our department, I think about the community. My mom works in the city, has worked in the city my entire life. She's at work right now in SoMa. And I think about her all the time. Where is she? Is she safe right now? What would happen if I had to go over and help? My aunt and uncle are here. My cousin works here. I care about this city. Our negotiations team cares about this city, and our membership cares about this city. And this tentative agreement will help ensure that we are fully staffed or heading that way, as well as to keep public safety stable and give the city that certainty that it needs. I do want to especially thank Chief Liu, as well as our command staff who were present for our negotiations, Assistant Chief Jones, as well as Deputy Chief Sawyer. Their input was, again, very candid. And I think those real conversations is how we actually got a lot of our great MOU points. The sections of the MOU that we needed to include here, a lot of that would not have been possible without buy in from our command staff and their understanding our perspective and the reality of what we're facing on the street. So again, big thanks to them. Thank you to Mayor Lurie. Thank you to DHR and all their team's work. I'm open to any questions you have.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: I don't see anyone on the roster. I just express my appreciation to you, Officer Slomowitz, for your presentation.

[Officer Ashley Schlomowitz (SFPD; POA Board of Directors)]: Thank you.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: And I want to expand that just to thank everyone for their work on this. I don't see anybody else on the roster for questions or comments. So, Mr. Clerk, why don't we open this up to public comment?

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Yes, we're opening public comment for these items six through eight. If we have any members of the public who wish to address this committee.

[Chief Liu (Chief of Police, SFPD)]: Well I guess I count as the public here in this scenario but I just wanted to stop by and lend my support to the contract and first off thank the HR and carol license team and course the poa negotiation team louie for I know a lot of work went into this and I think from the onset I went into the first meeting asked for all we wanted was something fair and equitable to both membership as well as the ability for command staff to properly manage the department as well. I think that's where we got. So I know there's a lot of work that went into that. And so very thankful for how this all turned out. But the bottom line is, I think that what concluded was we got something very reasonable. It probably, I think, rewards officers the membership for all the work that has been done up to this point I think the public safety numbers speak for themselves we' currently in the midst of the fentanyl crisis and I think that it' an all hands on deck situation for the entire city but our officers are a huge part of that 14,000 drug related arrests are a big deal and then along with all of our calls for service and the other things that we do to go with that. So I certainly feel like that's being recognized. The other part of it is for the department, for us to move along at this trajectory and this, I think, level of success. It all depends on our ability to recruit and retain. I think this achieves that. I'll just speak to laterals, for example. I feel like they''re the true barometer of whether people want to come here and work they already have jobs I think that part of that is looking at the financial package along with what''s going on in the city and being part of that and I think this contract addresses that so I'92ll stop there.\

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you chief.\

[Chief Liu (Chief of Police, SFPD)]: Thank you.\

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: And if we have no further speakers thank you chief lu if we have no further speakers mr vice chair that completes our queue

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: thank you mr clerk public comment on this on these items is now closed and seeing no one else on the roster I would like to make a motion to send these m o u's items six, seven, and eight, to the full board of supervisors with our positive recommendation. Mr. Clerk, may we have a roll call on that motion?

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: And on that motion, do you refer all three ordinances to the full board as recommended? Member Sauter? Aye. Sauter? Aye. Member Chen? Chen. Aye. Vice chair Dorsey. Aye. Dorsey. We have three ayes.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you Mr. Clerk. The motions pass. Congratulations. And next up, Mr. Clerk, can we call item nine.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Yes item nine is our hearing to consider the release of reserved funds to the san francisco police department placed on budget and finance committee reserve by board of supervisors annual appropriation ordinance for fiscal year 2025 to 2026 and twenty twenty six to twenty twenty seven in the amount of approximately 537,000 for operational needs. Mister vice chair.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you mister clerk we have the san francisco police department's government affairs manager carl nacita with us. Mr. Nacita welcome to the budget and finance committee the floor is yours.

[Carl Nacita (Government Affairs Manager, SFPD)]: Thank you good morning vice chair Dorsey supervisor sotter supervisor Chan as you just said I' carl nacita government affairs manager for the police department. This item requests release of $537,583 in fiscal year twenty five-twenty six general fund overtime that was placed on reserve in June 2025 by this committee along with additional $652,130 for fiscal year twenty six-twenty seven for a total of about 1,190,000 across those two years since then as you will recall the board just approved a $28,500,000 increase in sfpd's 2526 general fund overtime appropriation by de appropriating salary savings for overtime This item releases the 537,583 reserve for the current fiscal year to support overtime costs for the remaining pay periods including minimum staffing requirements. Releasing this reserve helps the department get through the balance of the year without needing another mid year appropriation. In short, it is a release of the previously budgeted overtime funds that were held on reserve to help the department manage the remaining pay periods in this fiscal year. Happy to answer any questions.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Mr. Nasita. There was I mean, thing I will just ask for, just generally. It was revelatory to me when I had asked about how much money would it cost us to fully staff the police department and to find out that the cost savings from overtime would almost make it a wash. It just really elevates the urgency of doing more as a city just to get to so that we're not in a situation where we're spending this much on overtime. My thinking on overtime, and I think what I have said whenever there has been a budget supplemental or issue that comes before us, whether it's for the full board or as a member of the budget committee, is, yeah, I'm going to support this because the alternative is unthinkable. But it's one of those situations where I'm not proud of it either when we're spending this much. We shouldn't be asking taxpayers to spend more money for less policing because of the overtime needs. That's part of the reason that full staffing has been a priority for me. If in your budget presentations moving forward, it might be worthwhile to have a slide of just sort of, just to remind us, just, you know, maybe this is just my political advice maybe, what a fully staffed department might cost compared to just so that we're reminded of the added costs of overtime. And I also worry, as somebody who's been around city government for a long time, when we are running some of our workforce ragged with really stressful jobs. So I'm sensitive to that too. I have no questions, but other than to just get that off my chest, I don't see anybody on the roster with questions or comments. We have a BLA report on this.

[Nick Menard (Budget and Legislative Analyst)]: Item nine is a request from the police department to release about $500,000 from Budget and Finance or Budget and Appropriations Committee reserve. This is money that's already in the police budget but can't be spent until the committee lists the reserve. And so as we discussed on page 10 of our report, the department's projecting a salary surplus of just under $1,000,000 So this is over half of that. That does assume ongoing reductions in their overtime use for the remainder of the fiscal year. And so I think given that this is over half of their projected salary surplus, it's cutting it pretty close. And I think they will need these funds. And so we are recommending that you release the reserve.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Mr. Menard. I don' see anyone on the roster with questions or comments Mr. Clerk may we open this item up to public comment.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Yes we' opening public comment for this item number nine if we have any members of the public question address this committee. Mister vice chair we have no speakers.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you mister clerk. Public comment on this item is now closed. And, I would like to make a motion and actually mister clerk may I do these as one motion? Yes. Okay. I'd like to make a motion for this hearing to be heard and filed and then move this item to the full board with our positive recommendations could we have a roll call on that

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: actually mr. Vice chair this is a hearing that we don't push to the full So, yeah, if we could just direct that we release the funds.\

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Then, let'92s the motion is to have this hearing heard and filed. And on And to approve the release of the

[Chief Liu (Chief of Police, SFPD)]: funds. Okay.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: And on that motion that we that this committee approves the release of the reserve funds to the police department and that this hearing be heard and filed. Member Sauter. Aye. Member Chan. Chen. Aye. Vice chair Dorsey. Aye. Dorsey. Aye. We have three ayes.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you mister clerk the motion passes. Mister clerk can we please call item number 10.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Yes item number 10 is an ordinance retroactively authorizing the police department to accept and expend the grant in the amount of 6,250,000 from the U. S. Department of justice office of community oriented policing services or cops under the fiscal year '25 cops hiring program to fund 50 new police officer positions for approximately one year for the period of 10/01/2025 through 09/30/2030 and amending the annual salary ordinance for fiscal years 2025 to 2026 and 2026 to 2027 to provide for the addition of 50 grant funded positions in class q zero zero two police officer. Mr. Vice Chair.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Mr. Clerk, and we welcome back Mr. Nacita.

[Carl Nacita (Government Affairs Manager, SFPD)]: Pleasure begin. Item 10 retroactively authorizes SFPD to accept and expend a $6,250,000 DOJ COPS hiring grant and adds 50 grant funded q two police officer positions to the annual salary ordinance in June 2025 sfpd applied for this highly competitive national grant that supports hiring of full time sworn officers to expand community policing capacity and crime prevention. In October 2025, the department was awarded the $6,250,000 which is the maximum award in a single cycle, to support 50 new full time officers this is the department department's second such award within five years following a similar award in 2021 The grant provides funding for up to 75% of entry level salary and benefits over a three year period, capped at $125,000 per officer, and includes a twelve month retention requirement after federal funding ends. These are 50 new officers, and the grant is being implemented as part of the department's broader hiring strategy. As of April 2026, 27 of the 50 positions have already been filled, which is why this is retroactive, with the remaining hires coming through upcoming academy classes. The grant requires a local match and the department's approach is to support that match through vacancy savings within the salary budget consistent with our prior cops grants while adding officers rather than replacing planned hires. I do want to note that the city attorney's office challenged certain unlawful conditions attached to this grant and the city obtained a preliminary injunction in January blocking those conditions. The city attorney's office is seeking a permanent injunction, and until then, the preliminary injunction remains in place. In short, this grant allows the department to leverage federal funding to accelerate hiring, increases sworn staffing, and supports violent crime reduction efforts, while maintaining the city's overall staffing investment. Happy to answer any questions you have.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, Mr. Nasita. I don't have any questions, and I don't see anybody on the roster with questions or comments. We have a BLA report. Mr. Bernard.

[Nick Menard (Budget and Legislative Analyst)]: Thank you. Item 10 is an ordinance that would authorize the police department to accept and expend $6,250,000 from the US Department of Justice, and also amends the salary ordinance to add 50 positions to the police department budget this year. And so and then the underlying grant agreement would be effective as of October 2025, so it's retroactive. So as we discussed on page 15 of our report, the way that this grant works is that the DOJ provides the city funding up to $125,000 per officer over a three year period. The city has to then provide a matching fund of at least 25% and then keep those people on payroll for one year after the three year grant period. Over the three year period, because the $125,000 is really just the base entry level salary costs of an officer, the city will pay the remaining costs for the two years, which far exceeds the 25% match. Most of those costs will likely be from the general fund. And then any additional non personnel costs, such as a new car or overtime, are not part of the grant as well. The city's projected $18,000,000 in matching funds are just to pay for the base wages and benefits for the officers during the grant period. And That said I think we recommend approval of item 10.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you Mr. Mennard I don' have any questions myself and I don' see anyone on the roster with questions Mr. Clerk can we invite a public comment on this item.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Yes we're opening public comment for this item number 10. If we have any members of the public, I wish to address this committee. And, mister vice chair we have no speakers.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you mister clerk the the public comment on this item is now closed And I would like to make a motion to send this item to the full board with our positive recommendation. We have a roll call on that motion.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: And on that motion to refer this ordinance to the full board as recommended. Member Sauter?

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Aye.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Sauter aye member Chan Chan aye vice chair Dorsey aye Dorsey aye we have three ayes.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you mister clerk the motion passes. Mister clerk is there any more business before us today.

[Brent Jalipa (Committee Clerk)]: Mister vice chair that concludes our business.

[Supervisor Matt Dorsey (Vice Chair, Budget & Finance Committee)]: Thank you, mister clerk. Thank you, colleagues, and everyone who participated today. There being no further business, we are adjourned.